[giantg2]

"which pits collective well-being against technological/monetary interests."

Yeah tech/money interests are part of it. I think the bigger part is lifestyle change. Most of the things that we would need to change have no better alternatives that can also support the current lifestyle. People are resistant to changing their personal actions.

Some of it is entirely unknown too. We can't switch to electric vehicles overnight, and EVs have environmental costs too. How do we solve that? And what does a world without plastics look like?

[snek_case]

> EVs have environmental costs too. How do we solve that?

We incrementally get better at it. For one thing, it should be possible to power any mining, manufacturing or recycling process with electricity.

[giantg2]

If we want tackle those, then we also have to look at trade policies. We've shipped most of the primary and secondary industries to developing nations, where these concerns are largely ignored. Some politicians talk a big environmental game, but they won't dare touch on this subject. It's a shell game.

[drusenko]

Let’s not get defeatist and give up. Europe is implementing a carbon border adjustment, and the U.S. is discussing this as well. If implemented correctly this should reduce the financial incentive to offshore emissions and create one for other countries to reduce their own.

[giantg2]

"and the U.S. is discussing this as well."

I haven't heard that. Do you have a link?

[drusenko]

I can’t find the original article I read but here is one recent one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/02/republica...

[giantg2]

Paywall. Interesting. I guess it's recent enough that I hadn't heard about it (based on the sate in the url).

[krainboltgreene]

> I think the bigger part is lifestyle change

No amount of changing my lifestyle stops overfishing, pipeline leaks, or factory emissions.