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> Regardless, Russia will not be able to subdue Ukraine, but there's nothing good coming from a more enthusiastic Russian society.

You are mistaken if you believe that Russian society isn't already enthusiastic. But this isn't a country with the warrior culture US has, dying for your country isn't cool in Russia, it just means that you were too poor and/or stupid to dodge the draft.

> There's a law for these things. That law allows sanctions but not attacking random civilians.

Which law is that?

> It also states that any possible harm to civilians must be incidental to the method

Many of the sanctions are specifically targeting civilians, civilian businesses.

> and that any harm be proportional to the possibility of achieving a legitimate goal (kicking Russia out).

Oh no, you're deeply mistaken. The sanctions will not go away even if Russia gets kicked out of Ukraine, they're very much intended to be punitive.

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>You are mistaken if you believe that Russian society isn't already enthusiastic.

It's a society where showing up for what the authorities do is common.

>Which law is that?

A long codicil of war conventions (Geneva, Hague) and anti-terrorism conventions. What I wrote is a common exegesis.

>Many of the sanctions... The sanctions will not go away.

As I wrote, there's a difference between 'we won't trade with you' and actively harming someone. Also, if Russia withdraws completely and lets Ukraine join NATO, I'm pretty sure the West will drop sanctions. There'll be no point in maintaining them - if you want to change Russia, you'll need a finer instrument.

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>It's a society where showing up for what the authorities do is common.

For a variety of reasons much of my circle of friend consists of Russians living abroad, you're mistaken if you believe that they support Russian leadership out of fear of what might happen if they didn't.

>A long codicil of war conventions (Geneva, Hague) and anti-terrorism conventions. What I wrote is a common exegesis.

But sanctions do exactly that. Attack random civilians.

> As I wrote, there's a difference between 'we won't trade with you' and actively harming someone.

It's not "we won't trade with you", that's a dishonest way of putting it. It's "we won't allow others to trade with you", which is very much actively harming someone.