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by nonrandomstring 1554 days ago
Thanks for a thoughtful informative reply.

> They define this struggle for what lets us work with intent, versus what molds it's intent upon us very strongly

I often couch this struggle as the relation between IA (intelligence amplification) and AI (artificial intelligence). I am not the first to draw the lines that way, and I don't literally mean AI (machine learning) in the sense that most of us techies would understand. But I think it's a good demarcation to show the way computing is splitting/polarising along socio-political lines. For BigTech, it's a means of control, not discovery.

> Ursala Franklin's lectures

Thanks for this. I've heard of her I think, but obviously have some more reading to do.

> Work versus Control technologies distinctions, is a good perspective

In Digital Vegan I talk some about the transformation of digital technologies from enabling tools to instruments of enforcement.

> The web, here, is remarkably strong powerful, with userscripts being a powerful demonstration of how some small tidbits of common knowledge can give us wideranging power over most every corporate/institutional property on the planet. There's nothing like it! It's purely incidental though- few web sites are specifically implemented to enhance understanding of how the site itself functions.

Ted Nelson (and some of the other WWW pioneers) had similar visions of a "lisp machine-like" queryable distributed structure.

> imagine a web where components could more clearly state their intent, be poked & prodded & understood by outsiders using common devtools. To me, this is one of the latent & most inspiring hopes of could-be web platform systems like WebComponents, that they could help make the web more broadly understandable & explorable for everyone, that it could make the hypermedium itself rich not just in what it expresses, but internally as well.

Web1.0 carried that hope but failed. Web2.0 tried (at least brought interactive participation) but was usurped by commerce. Is Web3.0 trying again? Is the arc of web history on the side of your vision? I hope so.