[Erik816]

Your map only appears to show the expected output of panels in those locations, with dark red and red obviously showing higher output. It does not support the claim that putting panels in the "wrong place" will produce negative economic and environmental returns. Maybe that's an argument that can be made, but you haven't really made it yet.

[sremani]

I have not made the argument because I could not handily find the source. But for the curious that set of knowledge comes from @peterzeihan tweet thread from few years ago. I am not going to debate this further as people here really want to believe in Solar and Wind being panacea, and I sympathize with them. Heck, I have put a 10kw solar plant on my roof 9 years ago.

[drekk]

If you haven't made an argument or come to discuss it doesn't seem like the statements are adding value. Nobody you are responding to claimed solar or wind are panacea. You have claimed there are wrong places for them without evidence in support, besides a wild goose hunt for a Twitter thread? We should put solar and wind wherever we get the chance. In areas with not a lot of wind and not a lot of sun we can use fission, invest in fusion, or drill down and leverage geothermal to offset on-demand generation requirements. Germany is one of the third worst countries for renewables given the small land mass, high population, and snowy winters. They're still a leader in renewables. In 2015 no solar panel installations were economically viable. In the past 3 years 60% were. [0] At the end of the decade solar anywhere on the planet is going to be more economic than digging up and burning oil. And in developing countries the potential of solar far outstrips current or projected energy usage. We should be sharing this IP so as to avoid countries like India from building fossil fuel plants to industrialize.

EDIT: Forgot my source: [0] https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/re...

[sremani]

Germany is burning lignite coal mined by destroying black forest, you want to give me a better example of energy policy. Germany is cautionary tale of what not to do. They became hostage to Russian ONG precisely for the wasteful investments they have made in the name of Renewable.

The energy price per kwh is high about $30 cents? in Germany. Germany is on pace to get its version of Rust belt soon.

[dna_polymerase]

It takes a single Google search to find what you are referencing. If you make big claims at least have some sources ready.

https://twitter.com/peterzeihan/status/989868124525809664?la...

Also, Zeihan does not substantiate the claim either. He like, "here's a map, trust me bro".