[JohnFen]

> I suppose that notion went away _because_ of JS and cookies.

I don't understand what you mean here.

> Looking at it from a business perspective

Which, I suppose, is the underlying problem. In my opinion, the drive to turn websites into revenue generators has had a corrosive effect on the entire web. I suppose that I just have to accept that increasing portions of the web are going to be hostile and to be avoided. It just saddens me, as so much -- perhaps a majority -- of the web is already more of a security risk than I can bear.

> Still, would be nice if most sites would at least render some plain HTML fallback with a bit of info, instead of a single line on a white page saying "this doesn't work".

More info is better than less info, but either way, the page still won't work.

[baash05]

> the drive to turn websites into revenue generators has had a corrosive effect

While I agree, there is the other side of that. They are very very expensive. Even a simple site needs servers, and devs.

> More info is better.

For who? If I tell the 2% of people out there that I sell these awesome things and they attempt to purchase them, but they can't because they have JS off, who did that knowledge help?

Now if it cost me 10k to tell the 2% they're waisting their time here, I'm out 10k and they're no better off than when they got a blank page.