[ForgotIdAgain]

Russia has food and energy, sure QoL will be greatly reduced but it will go through, what will happen in developed country if it can't get gas to produce fertilizer? At least America will get to sell gas and food to europe I guess.

[bkor]

> what will happen in developed country if it can't get gas to produce fertilizer

In Netherlands various farmers invested to switch from gas to alternative sources. These farmers are now way more competitive than before. Netherlands leads the way in technology around farmers. Farmers have huge expenses, these expenses can be reduced by investing. Some invested, some didn't.

What would help is to have more guidance around this. That not every person (and e.g. farmer) needs to figure things out on their own.

[dragonwriter]

> Russia has food and energy

For a lot of basic machinery (and in the case of staple foods, seed), Russia is very dependent on imports which sanctions will adversely effect both the availability of and the availability of funds to pay for if they have a willing supplier. So, no, I don't think Russia is generally self-sufficient for food or energy even if they currently export it.

[DoingIsLearning]

This is fearmongering.

How much of Europe's natural gas consumption is used as fertilizer feedstock?

Europe has plenty of alternative gas sources from Algeria to Norway, all the way to LNG. The only benefit of Russia was geographic proximity to the baltic and central europe countries and their price point.

The main reason Russia's gas made sense in Europe was the transition of Coal Plants to NG plants (which is itself a mistake in my view). With enough infrastructure investment, and now with the political will behind it, Central Europe and the Baltics can transition to electric heating alternatives and cut-off most domestic gas dependencies.

[ForgotIdAgain]

Algeria cannot readily provides ressources https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insigh... and it seems it will be hit hard as all of north africa by the end of ukraine and russia grain export and drought affecting agriculture.

Norway looks to be a more stable source https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Beginning-Of-...

But there was another source that I can't seem to find anymore that indicates that norway gas reserves are not that great.

edit: https://www.reuters.com/article/france-fertilizers-yara-intl... Fertilizer production was already hit by big gas prices, I think that cutting of russian gas won't help the situation.

[DoingIsLearning]

> Algeria cannot readily provides ressources

Algeria already provides gas to most of Southern Europe, it is the 5th largest gas producer in the world.

> another source that I can't seem to find anymore that indicates that norway gas reserves are not that great.

Norway is 6th largest NG produce in the world and yields a cubic output equivalent to a quarter of Russia's output.

The point is a very large investment/infrastructure rollout will come around to pluck gas dependency from Russia, it will happen either by alternative sources or eliminating the need for NG in specific applications.

The cost issue is no longer on the table, the European block has woken up, this is a geo-political issue now, economics has been relegated.

[ForgotIdAgain]

Long term energy independence from russia is good, but what about the timescale? I'm no oil/gas engineer but it all seems big industrial investment, but people are talking about cold cutting russia (is it feasible technically?), since it seems to be the road that will be taken, let's hope that europe will wither the shock.

[modo_mario]

>Europe has plenty of alternative gas sources from Algeria to Norway, all the way to LNG.

I'd still call syria blocking pipelines at the behest of Putin, Armenia being filled with Russian military and Azerbaijan having it's production part Russian owned significant. It's done with a reason because switching sources ain't as easy as often portrayed.