[btmorex]

Where I am, it's light out from 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. during the shortest days of the winter. The thing is a lot of people aren't even awake at 7 a.m. and if they are (I am), they're doing indoor things like making breakfast/showering/etc. So for a lot of people, that hour or two of morning light is really just wasted. In the afternoon though, everyone can take advantage of the daylight.

[giantg2]

"lot of people aren't even awake at 7 a.m."

I wonder what the actual percentages are. It's probably a thing where each group can't believe that there's a significant number of people in the other.

"that hour or two of morning light is really just wasted."

Only for people who wake up late. There could also be benefits to aligning one's circadian rhythm to morning light.

[nemo44x]

Go out and watch the highways at 7:30AM. They're packed. Most people start work at 8AM. Which means they're probably on the road by 7:30 and probably awake by 6:30.

[giantg2]

Found this.

https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/overflow-data-finds-th...

[nemo44x]

Thanks! A lot of people here I assume can make their own hours more or less, don't have kids, and sleep until 8AM or so. But the vast majority of people have to be to a workplace by 8AM and wake up at 6AM so they can get themselves and their kids ready. They don't want 2.5 hours of darkness in the morning. Some light before and after work is ideal.

[giantg2]

Neither option is great. Permanent standard time might be better, although I assume blackout curtains will be popular with twilight starting around 4am in the summer. There's really not going to be light both before and after work in the winter for many places. Current twilight is about 630am now, so it would be more like 1.5 hours, not 2.5.