[zozbot234]

Incel ideology is pretty nihilistic and violent. We're not talking "sad, disaffected weirdos" here but people who profess a rabid hate for the female gender, comparable to any other extremist ideology. (And yes, this means that the "not getting any" part of it is pretty much a self-created problem. Who could possibly want to get intimately involved with people who endorse that kind of nuttery?)

[bradlys]

Truly varies though on the incel and the ideology changes. From my readings - some of what you said is true but it’d be a mistake to group all incels together. After all - we’re all incels until we’re not.

I think ContraPoints video on this was good at summarizing the themes that are common though - and to be honest - most incels just seem like guys who are down on their luck and hate themselves more than they hate women. Sure - you get some psychos but I think psychos exist in every ideology. I’ve yet to see one that doesn’t have them.

[zozbot234]

> we’re all incels until we’re not

But that's what makes the "self-proclaimed incel" worldview so strange and twisted in the first place. They make "not getting any" into a part of their identity, so normalization of hate towards women isn't that far behind. By and large, guys who are just "down on their luck" would never self-identify with this "incel" thing.

[bradlys]

Once you've experienced 25 years of being down bad, it is a part of your identity. For many of these men, being down bad is their entire life. It's also something that other people label other men as. You don't necessarily get to choose the identity - people throw you into that camp without your choice.

The other aspect of it is that it's not purely mental or what not. It's not like they just need to take a shower and put on a clean shirt. It's something far more fundamental that is broken and many are autists/aspies. Some are normal but the overwhelming case is that many have very unpleasant physical features. So, they're just ugly dudes who might not have anything exceptional to note about them. Add in a bit of social anxiety, awkwardness, etc.

The guys like the Santa Barbara killer and what not are just unhinged psychos. I don't think being an "incel" at that point has any relation. Just as many unhinged psychos going on about degradation of their race of choice, immigrants are yadda yadda, etc. These people just needed something - anything - to latch their psychosis onto. If it wasn't for race crimes - they'd think people were secretly Nazis or something and they were killing them for the good of humanity.

I guess my point is - I find that many people in these communities who have degenerate views of women and what not are also people who have degenerate views of other classes of people too. They have a fundamental brain/belief-system/way-they-were-raised issue. The incel community is just an outlet for that degeneracy.

[wolverine876]

> we’re all incels until we’re not

Don't speak for me!

[igetspam]

Right? Incel is a brand. I don't always have as much sex as I want but I always don't want to murder women. There's a difference.

[bradlys]

I don’t think we have Incel stores like we have Supreme, man.

[matt321]

They hate themselves but misinterpret it as hate for women.

[SauciestGNU]

I think they hate women, but if they were capable of truthful, meaningful introspection they would hate themselves instead.