[margalabargala]

You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case.

There are plenty of successful software companies whose offerings are not proprietary, yet manage to pay their developers well. Example products:

- MongoDB

- Red Hat

- Docker

- Elastic Search

- Vagrant

[josephcsible]

I agree with your point, but you picked stunningly bad examples. MongoDB and ElasticSearch are both fauxpen source, and Vagrant and Docker are both open core. The only one on your list that's really open source is Red Hat. Better examples would be Nextcloud and Grafana.

[margalabargala]

I agree the SSPL means Mongo and Elastic are not free software, but they are open source, and I would not consider them proprietary.

[josephcsible]

The SSPL is not open source: https://opensource.org/node/1099

[margalabargala]

You're right, sorry, I should have said source available.

[langsoul-com]

Mongodb, Docker and elastic search are not good examples.

Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it.

[ThatPlayer]

I think MongoDB and Elasticsearch should be examples of the opposite if anything. They tried to do the whole FOSS thing, but now both use "Server Side Public License", which is generally regarded as source-available, but not open source because of its restrictions.

https://opensource.org/node/1099

[chockchocschoir]

> Their software was ripped and resold by a billion dollar corps and they could do nothing about it.

Yet, they still are able to employ people and give them a fair wage, making them good examples.

[margalabargala]

They pay their employees well, though- the parent I replied to was implying one could not be paid well while writing software which is given away "for free". This is clearly not the case.

[makeitdouble]

I don't know for MongoDB and Vagrant, but Docker and Elastic Search seem to me to be painted into a corner because of the non proprietary part of their business.

Seeing them succeed up to that point is already an incredible feat, and perhaps they will find a way to turn around with a bright future ahead, but at this point I wouldn't give them as clear examples of success of the business model.

Red Hat is IBM, so I'm not sure it fits in the list.