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by luuio 1565 days ago
Thanks! This is what I was looking for (not anymore, sorry switched to a different language/ecosystem for this project).

This still begs the question, or my original point still stands—why framework reference vs. nuget reference? I'm sure there's a perfectly rationale explanation, but this in itself, having at least two "official" ways of managing dependencies (framework reference vs. package reference on nuget), it's kind of a "code smell" imo.
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JamesNK 1565 days ago
Because ASP.NET Core is a framework that is installed with .NET. It isn’t a set of Nuget packages.

Why? .NET Core 1.x tried making everything a Nuget package and it was a disaster. ASP.NET is big which meant a huge number of dependencies, easy to create conflicts, long restore and build times.

It was much better to just include ASP.NET Core in the box with .NET and simplify it down to a single reference. And most people use the web SDK which does it for you so they don't even need that.

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luuio 1565 days ago
What about the option to just make everything asp.net one single nuget package? And how come other ecosystems/languages don't have this issue? What's the difference?

The other question is, why isn't what you posted the default, but defaulting to this <Project Sdk=...>? To me, it's a lot more intuitive, signaling that each project can have multiple framework references, vs. just one SDK attribute.

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dahauns 1565 days ago
>What about the option to just make everything asp.net one single nuget package? And how come other ecosystems/languages don't have this issue? What's the difference?

It's no different to e.g. create-react-app vs npm install react.

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JamesNK 1565 days ago
You're searching for ways to make things more difficult than they need to be.

Make the simple easy. Make the complex possible.

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luuio 1565 days ago
Disagree here. This is where I would quote the principles of two other language.

From Python: have one way of doing things

From Go: explicit is bette than implicit.

Is Sdk=... is just a short cut to pull in a handful of framework references? Or are there actually more things happening under the hood?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30673710

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dahauns 1565 days ago
sigh I can't help it...

Python really isn't a great choice for making your case. "Have one obvious way of doing things" has become an ironic meme since forever, and toolchaining and dependency management has traditionally been a hot mess (yes, even with pip and virtualenv, just not the total clusterfudge it was before. And don't get me started on pipenv.), and only gotten better recently with 3rd party tools like poetry, or even conda.

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