[ericd]

I suppose, but it's what a lot of people are stuck writing in enterprisey Java shops, and it's been my impression that people mix the two up when complaining. That might be wrong, though. I suppose the core language has a number of problems of its own as well. I don't think people think the JVM is one of them, though, and it's not really what most people are talking about when they talk about programming in Java.