[pixard]

They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion (https://browser.kagi.com). It is super fast, but there's not enough trust built there yet for me to use it as my main browser. I just use it as a dedicated HN browser for now. It has sidebar tabs built in which is _the_ killer feature for me. I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser.

I've been using Kagi full time for a few weeks now and it has been a very pleasant experience. Search results seem consistently better than DDG and my !g use is significantly down. And it is really really fast. YMMV.

I'm curious if this company will survive long term. I fully plan to pay a subscription once they introduce that, but the way they describe it in their FAQ makes it sound way too niche for my taste.

They should make one unified (low) price for Kagi with no search caps. And then offer a "Premium" plan with some extra features (NOT the number of searches done). Segregating into entry level and "unlimited" (horrible name btw) plans sounds like a recipe for disaster considering all other search engines are unlimited by default AND free by default.

Maybe techy people will value things like no telemetry and no ads but I question if there's enough of us that value these things AND are willing to pay for this AND choose to become their customer. Good luck to them. :)

[webmobdev]

> They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion

Would be easier to trust them if they didn't want an email ID to download their browser. Seeing that they also want to create a search engine, I suspect that your search and browsing history could be linked to it to profile you.

[Kbelicius]

That might be because both the browser and search are in beta. Though, since search will be a paid service they will necessarily need to have some info on the user.

[webmobdev]

Then zero telemetry offers no privacy advantage when they are collecting and collating even more personal data of the user!

[soundnote]

> I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser.

Edge is a good browser, but an absolute privacy disaster. Hardware based session IDs, chatty start pages that push you to Bing, the typical search suggestions on by default. Microsoft runs their own sync backend but does not allow for end to end encrypting all data types. Among the ones not e2ee'd? Browsing history.