[AutumnCurtain]

It's funny, whataboutism was always touted as the preferred tactic of Russian trolls, but I never had the chance to actually see them deploy it on a relevant topic. Now that there is one, my God, they're shameless, aren't they? To the point where if an actual human said these things to you in person you'd recommend a psychiatrist to them.

But forget about all that, what about the Monroe doctrine?

[edgyquant]

It’s crazy isn’t? I’m not sure what’s worse that they continue to try it even though it’s so obvious as to be funny or that it actually works on a lot of social media.

[nwienert]

You do realize you’re both smearing an American citizen who supports Ukraine as a “Russian troll” with no evidence, for simply bringing up the fact that nations don’t like having hostile actors in their backyard and that Russia warned against this over a decade. I’m not on the side of Russia here, I’m just fascinated how one-sided things become.

Reminds me of so many political conflicts of recent past - if you dare try and have a debate to capture nuance, even if you’re on the “same side” - but dare to point out it’s not black and white - people form rank, dismiss you with not even an attempt at discussion, and attempt to make you into a joke with the other “insiders”.

It’s fascinating, and happening right here, and it’s because you don’t want to believe that maybe you’ve been captured a just bit by western propaganda, because that would make all the (extremely virtuous) social signaling you’ve been doing just a bit less so, and you just a bit less reliable/intelligent on foreign policy.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-resurfaced-clip-russia-ba...

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nat...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=us3-Wq89fOE

Still no thoughts on the US coup in 2014? Wish there were smarter folks in politics around here. It’s sad there’s not even a chance for any decent conversation.

[edgyquant]

I didn’t say you were a Russian troll, I said you weren’t debating in good faith by bringing up irrelevant things like the Monroe doctorine in respond to my initial comment.

[nwienert]

You agreed with the person doing so.

Calling whataboutism is lame (and why you got downvoted), it’s just shutting down a debate you are afraid to have.