[throwaway4good]

Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire.

Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

[fvv]

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

[actuator]

Well, to be fair if you remove restrictions then it is the Western version of events that will rules as they have the established platforms and money to spread info.

To see their power look at the French poll of who won them the World War. It became 20% in the recent decades from 57% for Russia

https://www.france24.com/en/20190601-who-won-wwii-russias-ro...

[LaMarseillaise]

The idea that the Soviet Union won WWII is itself propaganda and ignores the contributions of many, many nations, not to mention the entire Pacific war. Also, the liberation of France was exclusively the western allies.

[metalliqaz]

For the most part I agree but the Soviets were integral. Without the Eastern front taking up so much of the enemy resources, the Western front would have been very different.

[car_analogy]

After they were forced to switch sides. Before, they did their own share of conquest and genocide in eastern Europe [1,2,..], and the Allies generously let them keep those countries after the war. But all is forgiven and forgotten if one ends up on the Right Side of History.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

[drekk]

This really egregiously rewrites the history in which the nascent USSR was rebuked by every single European nation it tried to enter into a defense treaty with against Germany. I'm not going to spoon-feed, but here's a source from mainstream Western media: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/322...

If you want to categorize what the USSR did in that period as conquest and genocide would you say the same about the US annexing Hawai'i? I don't know where you're getting "forgiven and forgotten" from given that you can't talk about the USSR without someone bringing up historical events they don't understand. The Holodomor, Katyn massacre, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact are all common offenders here.

And it was the collapse of the USSR + subsequent privatization of state enterprises at bargain bin prices that created the oligarchs that today are Putin's power base. The US & UK also intervened to put Putin into power in 1999, continuing a long-standing tradition of destabilizing regions and not really caring until the consequences spill over into a country like Ukraine that "looks like us" and live in "a civilized country with McDonalds"

[drekk]

7/10 Nazi deaths were on the eastern front. Nobody said the USSR won the war itself, but they absolutely did contribute the most to the war effort. They were invaded by the largest land army in history and lost entire swathes of the country before eventually pushing the invaders out and liberating Majdanek and Auschwitz. US could have had a similar impact but we only got involved after Pearl Harbor. By then the writing was already on the wall for the Third Reich.

[lenkite]

I suggest asking some professional historians this question and you will be surprised at the answer. Only Americans believe that the the USA was the primary nation responsible for victory in WW2.

[dirtyid]

And belief that access to information freely somehow makes one better informed is how propaganda is most _potently_ spread. At least people who grow up in repressive medium regimes know they're fed propaganda. There are comparable amount of low-info useful idiots everywhere, but very few countries are so unfree that access to global opinions isn't a VPN away. Though the ignorant from "free" societies are most insistent they're free from indoctorination, for merely having access to perspectives that they don't actually read nor have capability to interpret i.e. the amount of diaspora in western countries and western NGOs abroad means flow of propaganda is strong unidirectional while west is largely dismissive of what everyone else thinks.

[aiProgMach]

Dismissing different opinions about politics based on random claims about "freedom" (this word is the trademark of western propaganda) is one of the strongest forms of propaganda. By the way, other people opinions on US actions in their countries is more relevant than US citisen opinion on the same matter, becaue guess what? That US citisen is only hearing the US Gov pov and "facts".

[sivakon]

US banned Russian media for not spreading US narrative. Are you going to lecture the world about freeze peach?

[stjohnswarts]

No they didn't. I can still read sputnik and rt.com just fine if I want to. Why are you not telling the truth?

[rad_gruchalski]

US did not ban RT. Independent companies chose to drop it, EU chose to ban it, but one can still access that cesspool of their website. But US did not ban anything.

[dorgo]

Isn't propaganda the perfect tool to create deeply held beliefs? I would even go as far as to say that propaganda is the only way to have deeply held beliefs. But maybe my definition of propaganda is too broad.

[throwaway4good]

No. It comes from history and lived experience. I have met countless Serbs who lived in the west for decades, all being deeply bitter and cynical about the breakup of Yugoslavia and the role the US played in it.

[dekhn]

A subtle form of propaganda which is consistent with the truth is how you win hearts and minds of generations.