[hackerfromthefu]

I do wonder if this has an effect of encouraging the segments of society that don't plan so well, ultimately undermining the goal of saving resources, in the longer term.

In my own country we see significant proportions of multi-generational welfare demographics that are incentivized to breed and often with multiple children, because someone else picks up the tab. However the working class who that try to get ahead under their own steam before maybe breeding are having children later, and less of them if at all.

[sprucevoid]

> I do wonder if this has an effect of encouraging the segments of society that don't plan so well

From the POV of climate destruction the segments that don't plan so well, or to put it more bluntly, who plan and act so badly that they're strongly disproportionately responsible for the problem are those that the progressive consumption tax (and general wealth taxation) adresses: the wealthiest.

US style welfare provisions have three flaws at the same time. It is (1) not generous enough to escape the costly everyday scarcity tax* (2) spiked with time-wasting conditions and bureaucratic procedures and (3) politically and socially stigmatized. The US should transition to the northern european welfare state model which works better in all those three regards.

* https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/sendhil/files/scientificam...

[pjc50]

> multi-generational welfare demographics that are incentivized to breed

This is almost always a racial slur that turns out not to be true on closer inspection.

[Workaccount2]

White people are the largest demographic of poverty in the US.

So racist against white people I guess?

[hedora]

More like cognitive dissonance.

The states most strongly against a welfare state invariably receive the most welfare.

See also: Attempts to repeal Obamacare without infuriating the parts of the Republican base that are most loudly calling for a repeal.