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by logifail 1569 days ago
> This is war, but everywhere I look the lights are on and people only save if there's a price spike

I refuelled the smaller of our two cars this morning and paid around €1.80/litre - there's our price spike. I certainly had a "Oh my $deity, this is expensive!" moment while standing at the pump.

On the other hand, my wife is taking our eldest child into town for a hospital appointment today. It's not as though we can choose not to make that journey (I dearly wish it weren't necessary, but that's another story). So, they have to travel. In round figures she can expect to use 5 litres of fuel in the car for the return trip, so that's €9 of fuel.

I'm absolutely aware that the car doesn't just have costs associated with fuel, but it's the cheapest smallest model that that manufacturer makes, it was around €10,000 on the road, all taxes included, and it's already several years old. Fuel economy figures are 4.5 l/100 km aka 52 US mpg aka 63 UK mpg "combined".

To make the journey by public transport would take pretty much the same time from our home to the hospital but the connection only works twice per hour, so that means she should expect additional waiting time at least on the return trip, which the car doesn't have.

The kicker? The train ticket for my wife would be €30 for the round-trip. My son would travel free but only because I paid for an annual railcard for him already, covering his journey to school.

So even with Europe at war, it's still apparently significantly cheaper for us to travel by (ICE) car. Which feels wrong :(

2 comments

When I lived in Italy the choice of mode of transportation and whether to use the highway when driving was dependent on the number of occupants.

Choices, ordered by price ascending were:

1 person - train, backroads, highway

2 people - backroads, train, highway

3 people - backroads, highway, train

Also train was faster than backroads, but slower than highway.

Nevertheless with 2 people on board I often opted for the backroads, because then we could leave at e.g. 10pm after a long supper.

There's €2,43/Liter on the highway gas stations here in NL already...
For anybody in the US, we are talking about 10 dollars per gallon...
So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe? Or rather, is it low in the US because we're a big oil producer?
> So that's about double US prices -- why is the price so high in Europe?

Mostly, high gas taxes. Gas taxes in some countries in Europe are as high as gas prices in some US states.

Federal gas tax is 18.4 cents a gallon, states add on top of that somewhere in the range of 18 to 67 cents, so under a dollar no matter where you are. The EU requires a minimum gas tax of $1.55 a gallon, but depending on the country goes over $2 a gallon.
The US also has cheaper 87 octane gas. All gas in Europe is the US equivalent of "premium" 93+ octane.
Isn't it just different numbering scheme? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
Go to the table and sort by (R+M)/2 . All European fuels have a value of 90+. The vast majority of USA fuel is at 87.
Jesus. I paid $4.61/gallon yesterday and was surprised.
Right now Diesel (2.09€/l) here is more expensive than Super E10 (2.04€/l) ... that's like the first time during my 35 years on this earth that that has happened.
Here in Sweden Diesel has always been more expensive than petrol. Diesel is now over 25kr (€2.30), petrol around 22kr (€2.00). Electricity was €1/kWh this morning 07.00 - prices are set hourly.
Such sky high prices. Wholesale energy prices in my area (Texas) this morning was USD$0.075/kWh not including delivery, and that's a bit pricier than normal. 87 octane is running ~USD$3.89/gal, ~€0.94/L. Natural Gas costs me ~USD$1.36/CCF including delivery and taxes.
The really obnoxious thing is that Sweden does not use gas nor much oil for electricity production. Hydropower and nuclear form the base load, wind and solar add when available, the peak load is mostly covered through oil but this was only needed in times of peak demand - read very cold winter nights. The "party for the environment" has forced the closure of half of the nuclear plants leading to an increased use of those peak plants but this is not the only thing which has driven up the prices here. They went up because prices outside of Sweden went up and Sweden is connected to the European power distribution network, making it possible for Swedish power to be sold to other countries. This in turn has led to sky-high prices here, an enormous boon for the government and extreme power bills for the rest.