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by whimsicalism 1566 days ago
1. Nobody actually believes the numbers of Russians killed coming out of Kyiv, these are for morale purposes.

2. Thousands of US soldiers were killed in the Iraqi invasion & occupation.

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> 1. Nobody actually believes the numbers of Russians killed coming out of Kyiv, these are for morale purposes.

That was true at first but has increasingly been changing as NATO sources have been reporting numbers closer to the Ukranian reports. That's not saying it's 100% reliable but it suggests the numbers are closer to what Ukraine is reporting rather than what Russia is reporting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/1-million-flee-ukraine-ru...

> 2. Thousands of US soldiers were killed in the Iraqi invasion & occupation.

This is true, and it turned public opinion against both wars. Now consider what the impact is of having that happen in a week — if the U.S. figures are right, much less the Ukranian, they are rapidly closing on the _total_ number of casualties from their decade-long invasion of Afghanistan in just the current month and all signs point to a long, bitter occupation anywhere they do capture.

> 1. Nobody actually believes the numbers of Russians killed coming out of Kyiv, these are for morale purposes.

All the open source intel analysis I've seen suggests otherwise. Individual battle claims are greatly exaggerated but the overall casualty counts of ~10,000 seems accurate. Hospitals in crimean cities are reportedly overflowing with thousands of wounded soldiers. Vehicles and equipment losses are undeniably staggering. Aircraft losses seem to be confirmed as well, with multiple copters and planes being lost, per day. The convoy north of kyiv is almost certain to draw heavy losses without food, fuel, or shelter from the cold.

"Nobody"? Not in my research. Feel free to provide your best estimate, feel free to use any non-Ukrainian or Russian source, I would love to see it.

Various open source lists, independently curated, align with each other. I know what they say, as my life may depend upon it.

Hello from Kyiv.

There is some difference between losing thousands of soldiers in ten years, and in ten days. Though admittedly life has always been cheap-ish in Russia so maybe that won’t matter.
During the invasion? No. During the occupation and was over several years. Russians have lost thousands in one WEEK. The shock value there is a lot higher.