[zibzab]

Counterpoint 1: Sweden delayed locking down nursing homes and then implemented it really poorly. A huge percentage of COVID deaths were due to a nurse getting sick, coming to work anyway and basically killing half of the residents. Without lockdowns your 95 old grandmother would probably have been dead by now.

Counterpoint 2: did you take care of her and talked to her everyday, or maybe taken her home? Otherwise at 95 she could end up like this with and without lockdowns.

I find it funny that you bring numbers into this (at her age she had only 3.4 years to live but only 11% chance if dying of COVID). You cannot mix emotional and cold like that in the same post...

[CryptoPunk]

>>Sweden delayed locking down nursing homes and then implemented it really poorly.

Canada locked down nursing homes completely yet 98.5% of COVID deaths were in nursing homes.

After a year, a hundred and fifty thousand nursing home patients were still confined in their room in the province of Ontario:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/long-term-care-covid-...

What has been done to so many people, in the name of safety, during this pandemic, is obscene, and an affront to the principles of liberal democracy. This episode in our history demonstrates the utter inhumanity and banal brutality of anti-libertarian ideology.

>>did you take care of her and talked to her everyday, or maybe taken her home? Otherwise at 95 she could end up like this with and without lockdowns.

When you advocate for a forceful intervention, it's your responsibility to anticipate how the target of your intervention may fall short in adjusting to it.

Your argument is reminiscent of neocons blaming the post-invasion chaos in Iraq on the people of Iraq not forming a civil society and functional democracy quickly enough.

>>I find it funny that you bring numbers into this (at her age she had only 3.4 years to live but only 11% chance if dying of COVID). You cannot mix emotional and cold like that in the same post...

You can absolutely mix emotions in with numbers. In fact, you should. Emotional reactions should be informed by facts.

[dudeofea]

Also in Ontario: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/long-term-care-pandemic-cov...

>> Several of the assessments noted unsafe conditions that could help spread COVID-19, including instances where patients who had tested positive for the virus "were allowed to wander" and staff members left with inadequate personal protective equipment.

Personally, I believe the virus would have spread regardless of the isolation techniques used (and can be demonstrated to have in other places with stricter policies).

Regardless, why the residents themselves weren't in charge of the policy on lockdowns is stupid in my opinion.

[fivea]

> Canada locked down nursing homes completely yet 98.5% of COVID deaths were in nursing homes.

Isn't this explained by Canada's outstanding response to COVID that allowed it to have a much lower death rate than analogous countries such as the US?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60380317

If your death rate is much lower because you succeed in protecting the bulk of the population, your death rate will be disproportionally comprised of the most vulnerable and at-risk groups.

[CryptoPunk]

Canada's outstanding response vis-a-vis the US is most likely just having a lower proportion of its population constituted by high-risk demographics like black people, and people with diabetes and obesity.