[331c8c71]

Not at all. The agreement to create temporary ceasefires to evacuate civilians were the only real outcome of the last talks. It was largely reported in Russian media. Today during the morning briefing the Russian officials said that the zones and logistics were agreed and respected but russian forces haven't observed any movement of civilians. They observed rearrangement of ukranian units though.

The ukranian live YouTube channel I follow provided a few messages from (allegedly) people nearby (e.g. no buses or people were still in shelters). No clear picture from these messages.

[drran]

We (Ukrainians) believed Russians once, in Ilovaisk. Of course, we will not believe them second time. Our government sends notices to citizens to not trust Russian promises about evacuation or green corridors.

Because of Ilovaisk tragedy, «green corridor» now has meaning of death threat, e.g. «we will make green corridors for Russians» means «we will fool Russians and then kill them», not a promise of a safe escape.

When Russians says that they will open a green corridor for us again, everyone is flies from them.

[331c8c71]

Thank you, I was not aware of that incident.

I hope this war stops as soon as possible. The Russian people I know (including myself) don't support the war and are trying to help with the humanitarian aid, refugees etc (I'm outside russia).

[jacquesm]

The main usage of those corridors seems to be for the Russians to shuttle around ambulance loads full of ammunition.

[inter_netuser]

so what you are saying is, your government officially agrees with russia about humanitarian corridors, but then tells your own citizens not to follow them?

Do you have a picture of the notice? How do you know it's your government?

[drran]

We know that Russian humanitarian corridors are fake, so we tell our own citizens to not follow them, because they will die again. However, we need to regroup our units as much as Russians, so we agreed on ceasefire.

I did not follow this closely because I'm busy with my own problems right now (furreal of 3 man killed by Russians will be tomorrow, so I need to make preparations). However, my advice to our government is in line with advices of other veterans of war with Russia: don't trust them. Russia invaded Ukraine and killed thousands after years of lies about peace. Why they will be honest today?

[331c8c71]

In ilovaisk it was ukranian troops who were marching armed through the exit corridor. It's clear that this could escalate quickly.

The exit corridors now are for civilians and there is at least the red cross who is monitoring. I find it hard to believe that russian army would attack civilians in open daylight. That would be a grave war crime and impossible to hide.

[jacquesm]

> I find it hard to believe that russian army would attack civilians in open daylight.

What you find hard to believe is clearly evidenced on a daily - sorry, hourly - basis in Ukraine right now. You don't need to believe, you can just see.

> That would be a grave war crime

You don't say!

> and impossible to hide.

They don't care.

[seba_dos1]

At this point it should be clear to anyone that Russian army isn't afraid of grave war crimes.

[ratsmack]

It's sad that we can't trust most media to give the real story. It seems that 98% of all media today has an agenda. I suspect that social media echo chambers are a distraction that drives a lot of this regardless of political affiliation.

[331c8c71]

How does this even work? In that particular case has it crossed the journalists' mind to check what the Russian position is? Did he understand implicitly that would be frowned upon by the boss/editor?

Gotta read that manufacturing consent book.