[lovelyviking]

> Are we really to believe that swaths of their population believes the Ukranians are merely offing themselves during an invasion?

This is exactly what they believe. More then that , they are told that some of Ukrainians are “nazis” who kill ‘normal’ Ukrainians. They’ve been told that all horrible bombing scenes the world is witnessing are done not by rus. invader but by by those “nazis” Ukrainians. They are truly believe that and they are happy that rus. army is saving “normal” Ukrainians.

Talk to me about their IQ but it is impossible to convince them otherwise, and trust me I’ve tried and others tried they are complete zombies and would not trust even relatives. They would say that you are brain washed by western propaganda and only them are proud russians who know the truth. No logic can convince them because the source of their believes is not logically based but emotionally based.

Yes it’s that bad! And people in the west who do not understand that are too naive and have no idea with what they are dealing and how enormously dangerous it is. For many people this war came as big surprise. They still think that if russians only knew they would stop. Only force cam stop them now. Sanctions are too little too late and too slow and people in Ukraine are dying also due to the stupidity and naivety of those who can stop it.

If you think I am exaggerating, try to convince at least one russian, and share your experience here !!!

[coward-guy]

Unfortunately, Russian propaganda is based of facts which are hard to dispute: * Right Sector - Ukrainian nationalist neo-nazi political party in Ukrainian parliamentary * Azov Detachment - neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, who participated in wars in Donbass * Lots of streets are named after Stepan Bandera, for example Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv, who was a leader of Ukrainian ultranationalists and cooperated with Nazi Germany in 1941 against USSR

[witrak]

Such arguments seem to be rather strange. How would you react to similar propaganda about temporary Americans based on the number of monuments of South generals and politicians from the Civil War period? They still weren't removed everywhere in the USA.

Does it give credibility to the allegation that there's still slavery in America?

[coward-guy]

That's true. However, to be fair, the monuments of South generals were erected a long time ago, but the avenue was renamed in 2016.

[secondcoming]

Very convenient facts. Eastern Europe is full of far-right, even Russia itself. This invasion would have happened regardless of any Nazi presence in Ukraine

[coward-guy]

Yeah, I know. I've just listed the facts what Russian television transmits everyday...