[can16358p]

Yup, I add to your second point from my experience.

I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war). The government successfully collapsed the economy but they control the mainstream media and their supporters still blame (and truly believe in what they say) the opposition for everything bad that the government does.

Controlling people's mindset is apparently easier than it seems when you control media.

[sobkas]

> I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war).

So what about Syria? Kurds are another topic you might want to look into (both inside and outside the Turkey). Azerbaijan-Armenia proxy war? It's not as easy as you think.

[can16358p]

We don't have war here.

Syria and refugees are part of a bigger plan. It's not like the government suddenly became philantrophic and wanted to help people running from war.

For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together. Again, government's agenda is to divide and conquer so they made Kurds "enemy" to some (gullible) part of the population.

Surely it's not "easy" though my point stands: when you control mainstream media you can easily manipulate enough people. Current authoratorian government does this in Turkey, and even if there is also many enlightened people, we are just relatively minority.

[treis]

>For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together

Which decades were those?

[can16358p]

Ever since Turkey existed.

Sure there are sometimes conflicts but most of them are government propaganda trying to divide otherwise perfectly happy people.

[sudosysgen]

Your country is at war with Syria. So yes, you do live in war. It's not so noticeable however, I agree.

[can16358p]

I was implying that there is no war where I live, to contrast with the situation in Ukraine.

It's not even comparable to what's happening in Ukraine.

[sudosysgen]

I believe the comparison was between Turkey and Russia, not Turkey and Ukraine.

[can16358p]

The comparison was indeed about propaganda of Russian and Turkish authorities. Then my reply was to the comment about the cities being in war, which implies Ukraine (as being actively physically bombarded), where I explained that where I live has nothing to do with war as in guns and explosions.

"Living in war", at least for me, implies being physically present in an active war zone that has been bombarded with military and explosions, not some conflict at the other end of the country which is mainly affecting another country.

(Just for clarity: I personally do NOT support war in any way, either the one affecting Ukraine nor Syria, regardless of the initiator)