[allisdust]

Are the Chinese seeing past the propaganda? It will be the same with Russians. Putin wanted this. Now his hands are not dirty and who is going to protest the closing of internet, lack of foreign investors, lack of foreign companies when they are done by the west themselves. New companies will come from within Russia, new investment will flow eventually from either China or from within. Mission accomplished and he has cemented his power till he dies.

[usrusr]

Important difference: the average Chinese, both median and arithmetic, receives a considerable prosperity dividend from the stability bought with the oppression. The impression I get from Russia is different.