[taf2]

In 1930s and following world war 1… did the measure to punish Germany not result in world war 2? Don’t get me wrong, I’m very pro we should do more to help Ukraine … I feel good when I hear oligarchs are losing their super yachts… and I do not see away for the world to do business with Russia now we should be cutting oil purchases too… but really what does this do ? Does it not just further cement a people under the control of a crazy person with more nukes then required to end the world? I feel like maybe we should have sent in air power and troops and been like “bring it”. When things cool down again after Putin - I sure hope the world can come together and finally remove the nukes

[JanSt]

The difference is FOLLOWING the war. You have to defeat the aggressor before you can help rebuild it.

[onlyrealcuzzo]

Did the measures to stop Germany and Japan after WW2 not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history?

[taf2]

Yes which was very different from what we did after ww1

[concinds]

> not bring us 60 years of the most peaceful days in modern history?

This is a very strange historic rewriting that's popped up everywhere in the last weeks. Did the Cold War not exist? There have been wars, genocides, coups, and regime changes practically continuously, and international media has consistently reported on them. Western media just didn't highlight them because: {they didn't involve major US security interests / involved "non-white" countries that "we wouldn't expect to be peaceful anyway"}.

Ukraine is a local conflict, just like Syria was. It involved proxy wars with the same major players. But it "feels" more significant, because now it's on "our" border. It all seems so artificial.

This conflict isn't a "turning point" in history, it isn't "war returning after 70 years of peace". It's a local conflict of which there have been dozens in recent decades. World War 3 will happen much later, and won't involve these countries[0]. There is no principled or logical reason for people to care about Ukraine and not Yemen, Ethiopia, and Myanmar, expect for people caring about what the TV tells them to care about.

[0] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/george-friedman-on-wo...

[simonh]

It became more regional. Conflict around most of the world continued, but at a steadily reducing rate, and the lack of major conflicts in the developed world meant that from the 1940s global deaths in conflicts never peaked as high as they had previously. These are the stats per population:

https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-yea...

Conflict deaths really fall off a Cliff after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So you're right the cold war was only cold in certain regions, but peace in 'the west' did make a difference.

[mensetmanusman]

“ This is a very strange historic rewriting that's popped up everywhere in the last weeks. Did the Cold War not exist?”

It’s simply pointing to the per-world-capita death rate due to war after ww2 where it dropped precipitously.

[concinds]

War casualties follow power laws, not normal distributions. It's a nonsensical "analysis".

[mensetmanusman]

It doesn’t matter what law they follow, one just needs to tabulate them in a histogram…

[cco]

It's not a recent concept, Pax Americana has been talked about for a long time. The Cold War happened, but it's exactly that incredible achievement of peace during the latter half of the 20th century is astounding given the few hundred years that preceded it.