[ajuc]

> Ukraine was pretty much always at least partially owned by russia. One of the first centralized slavic states were the kieven rus.

This is wrong on so many levels :)

In times of Kievan Rus Moscow was a far province of forests and marches. Kyiv was the capital.

What you're saying basically: "Italy (Ukraine) was always owned by France (Russia) because Roman Empire (Kievan Rus) was the first centralized state there".

If you insist on applying modern names to historical states it was the other way around - Ukraine "owned" Russia back then.

Also for a few centuries Ukraine was owned by Mongols, Lithuanians and Poles. And Russia was only starting to exist (and wasn't called Russia at first - just Muscovy). But that's besides the point.