[mistrial9]

well as a USA citizen, from multiple generations of supporting a plurality of views, it is distressing to see the worst behavior of police and FBI, commented upon as if "that is the way the USA is!" .. and strictly from a word-meaning point of view "disingenuous" means I am trying to deceive or knowingly making false statements, which is not the case at all.. we are likely to agree on several points here.. hard to make comments that do not have enough disclaimers, on these large topics

[etchalon]

I mean, if our FBI and police have consistently behaved a certain way than that is literally "the way it is the USA".

[getcrunk]

When it comes to issues of life and death or liberty, we should use the worse case as the measure. For example: oh this medical intervention kills people 15% of the time. No matter what that can never be understated.

[tylersmith]

That absolutely is the way the United States is, time and time again. That fact that many of us people aren't malicious doesn't change that.