[mattbrewsbytes]

Its because all you hear are the negative stories. As an EM my job is to shield the team from BS, give them what they need to get work done, stay out of their way and not to complain to them either about the BS that is circulating.

To an employee, a good manager kinda makes it feel like everything would be fine with the manager not there. And a good team could probably operate without a manager for a while. Until it comes time to write reviews or do other HR related things like filtering resumes, etc.

[sdoering]

If it were for that a team should be able to see this by themselves.

To me a bad manager is one that actually makes things more complicated. Once you have some experience under your belt you tend to see managers that add friction, unnecessary process and are more in it to feel the power and control. While others are adding lube to the system and making problems/friction disappear.

I agree that there are teams that miss the experience to see when crap is being shoveled out of their way by their manager. And I envy them, as they never had to endure a shitty one.

But from experience I would say that doesn't last long. Sadly.