[naderkhalil]

We felt the same way. This Paul Graham quote is funny “If Zoom were the default and someone just invented face to face, it would seem like an amazing step forward.”

We’re growing our team and are in person in SF if you’re interested: nader at brev.dev

[jjav]

> “If Zoom were the default and someone just invented face to face, it would seem like an amazing step forward.”

That's a fairly biased way of phrasing it though...

How about:

If Zoom was the default and someone invented that you have to get up two hours earlier every day, get prepared, go sit in traffic for 90 minutes, then at the end of the day keep watching traffic info to see when you can leave which ends up being 8pm to avoid a 2 hour commute and then get home at 9pm, kids already sleep so you don't see them, crash in bed for that early,early start again tomorrow.

Yeah, not feeling like a step forward when the full picture is painted.

[ali_wetrill]

This is also unfair and biased, if I accepted an in-person job like 5 hours away obviously it's going to suck.

There's a happy medium -- if the commute was short I'd love it because it gets me out of the house and clears my mind. I also like the separation of space and there's no way I can afford to have a second office in my home. There's also great energy from co-workers. Obviously reasonable parameters on both sides make a difference.

I wonder what people with kids think though, I don't have that experience but I imagine as long as schools are open working at home might be better?

[jjav]

> I wonder what people with kids think though, I don't have that experience but I imagine as long as schools are open working at home might be better?

The worst part, when they're young, is that it's very difficult-to-impossible to succesfully fight through traffic at evening rush hour to get home early enough while they are still awake (young kids sleep very early).