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by lolinder 1571 days ago
I'm not condoning those arrests, but their scope is nothing like what we're seeing in Russia, and that news article is about the arrested being paid damages because the arrests were illegal. Even then, all involved were released the next day.

The scope of the arrests in Russia is much wider (as a percentage of those protesting and in raw numbers), and they're legal.
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waffleiron 1571 days ago
They were illegal as mass arrest, there were plenty of other people who got legally arrested protesting the Iraq war (and were not released the next day).

I know the scope is different, but it is also good to keep in mind that bad things don't only happen in Russia.

edit: s/mass protest/mass arrest

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lolinder 1571 days ago
> They were illegal as mass protest

Do you have a source for this? The only instances of arrests I can find are things like the above (illegal arrests) or people who trespassed on private property and were arrested for that. Meanwhile I can find plenty of stories of perfectly legal thousands-strong protests, which sounds like "mass protest" to me.

> I know the scope is different, but it is also good to keep in mind that bad things don't only happen in Russia.

Yes, but it depends on the purpose of placing that emphasis. "Even in a democracy we must be vigilant" is one thing. "We shouldn't condemn Russia for their human rights abuses because we're no different" is a very different message, and one that is manifestly false.

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waffleiron 1571 days ago
Ah! Apologies, I'll edit my post, I meant mass arrest
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lolinder 1571 days ago
Ah, that makes way more sense! Thanks.
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glenstein 1571 days ago
>I know the scope is different, but

This is the hinge on which false equivalences turn. The scope is different, they shouldn't be compared, and being able to correctly grasp and differentiate different scales of moral offense shouldn't be interpreted as "I guess they don't know bad stuff happens elsewhere." Those comparisons do more to obfuscate than clarify.

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waffleiron 1571 days ago
>The scope is different, they shouldn't be compared

Then nothing can ever be compared, there is always going to be differences between situations. Even just cultural differences between Russia and the US.

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