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by munificent 1570 days ago
One of the defining properties of liberals and, even more, progressives is idealism. The idea that you set your sights on a destination that is unattainable due to the vagaries of reality rather settle for status quo and incrementalism.

There is an adaptive and maladaptive side to that psychology.

The adaptive side is that all plans tend to work out at less than 100%. If you aspire to something just past your destination, you may actually reach where you originally wanted to go. If you aim right for it, you'll fall short. Also, reality doesn't always make it clear where the real boundaries are. Often you can accomplish more than is apparently possible if you have the courage to try.

The maladaptive side is considering any policy too coupled to reality as stinking of compromise and defeatism, or as a designed-to-fail Trojan horse from the other side. Any idea that might actually be feasible instead becomes suspect by virtue of its feasibility. The only goals you feel comfortable holding in your heart are ones that never risk getting sullied by any actual incremental progress.

I think progressives in the past used to be better at keeping their eyes on the future while getting their hands dirty with today's work. But, perhaps because of decades of horror shows like the War in Iraq, climate change, rising inequality, corporate take-over of culture, and political polarization, I see less of the latter. There's a sort of fatalism of prefering to die a martyr with hands unstained by sin than possibly staving off death by consorting with the enemy.

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It seems to me the fatalism comes from the game-theory side of it; when your enemy has no ideals except beating you, his diabolical tactics really undermine morale.
>One of the defining properties of liberals and, even more, progressives is idealism.

If you mean idealism as a way of conducting your personal life, I don't think it has anything to do with any particular political persuasion.

If you mean idealism as a political philosophy, while I agree this is a defining property of progressives, for liberals, at least the classical liberals that were the original referent of the term, no. (Today "liberal" pretty much means the same thing politically as "progressive", but that wasn't always the case.) Classical Enlightenment liberalism was highly suspicious of idealism as a guiding principle of politics and public policy, because it recognized the limitations of humans. We are simply not smart enough to come up with useful idealism on the scale of a country. Every time we try, it causes far more problems than it solves. Classical liberals preferred to let institutions on a larger scale evolve from the bottom up, as people exercised their individual freedom of choice on a smaller scale and were held accountable by the people they interacted with.

> possibly staving off death by consorting with the enemy.

The Democrats have tried to "consort with the enemy" for three decades now, and all that happens is that the Republicans move further to the right and laugh at them.

This is the iterated prisoner's dilemma of modern US politics.

If you compromise and cooperate with the other party, some fraction of time you will make progress, and some fraction of time you'll get screwed because they're cooperation was a bad-faith trap.

It's certainly the case that at least since New Gingrich the odds of the former have grown much higher when Democratic politicians try to work with Republicans.

> Newt Gingrich

I think history will look back and see that Newt Gingrich shares a disproportionately large share of the blame for the tribal politics we are experiencing now. He wasn't first, but he was effective.

> I think history will look back and see that Newt Gingrich shares a disproportionately large share of the blame for the tribal politics we are experiencing now.

Much as I loath Gingrich, I think that the blame for transformation of political culture that he has gotten really from day one of his speakership is overblown, and that the two main factors are:

(1) the reversion to the normal alignment of partisan and ideological divides as the long era of the overlapping realignments of the post-Depression era (New Deal and Civil Rights) and,

(2) Clinton’s political triangulation strategy reducing opportunity for partisan differentiation on a wide range of high-saliency policy issues, driving a focus on personal and culture war issues as well as a rightward policy shift to re-enable differentiation on those issues (which itself required relying on personal and cultural identity politics heavily.)

Gingrich, was a problem, to be sure, but there is always a Gingrich around (many of them), but he became successful when he did because both structural forces and choices by the other party created an environment in which his approach would be rewarded.

Exactly. One prize of playing diabolically is you get to apply a double standard to your opponent. Works great for them.
> Works great for them.

For a while. It's easy to win by playing the villain in a single round prison's dilemma, but less so when iterated.