[boardwaalk]

Are you implying that having a neo-nazi problems justifies the invasion? Because that’s what it sounds like.

There’s also some irony in dismissing this article as propaganda when all you’ve pointed out is that it, offhandedly I might say, called the situation Kremlin propaganda. Especially it since consists mostly predictions, an enormous amount of which have become true.

[charlchi]

> Are you implying that having a neo-nazi problems justifies the invasion? Because that’s what it sounds like.

Not that I condone war, or the invasion, but going off the cuff here: If we take the context of what Russia has said, and to facts on the ground, the 2 largest Russian military operations are currently surrounding Kharkiv and Mariupol, which have shown to be 2 of the largest bases for the neo-nazi and far-right militia recruitment in Ukraine.

> There’s also some irony in dismissing this article as propaganda when all you’ve pointed out is that it, offhandedly I might say, called the situation Kremlin propaganda. Especially it since consists mostly predictions, an enormous amount of which have become true.

I don't doubt the validity of the article's predictions. I doubted the articles dismissal of the neo-nazi and far right presence as being "Kremlin propaganda". When I hear this line, it automatically makes me believe the writer is either ignorant, or intentionally spreading propaganda, as this kind of dismissal does not coincide with reality. I'm just trying to inform people, because I see this narrative constantly, and it's worth fighting back against.

[avasylev]

> Kharkiv and Mariupol, which have shown to be 2 of the largest bases for the neo-nazi and far-right militia recruitment in Ukraine.

What are you talking about? Kharkiv and Mariupol are 95% russian speaking population. Before the Donbas events, these were very pro-russian cities, after Donabas the population learned what Russia is. The same amount of neo-nazis tehy can find in Minsk or St. Petersberg, may as well bomb these.

[dang]

You've unfortunately been breaking the HN guidelines repeatedly lately. Can you please not? More at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30560868.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[charlchi]

We're talking about neonazi and far right militias in the ground that are being trained and funded by America. You clearly didn't read any of the sources that I linked(which are Western, and in some cases, US military sources). I'm not talking about dumb neonazis larping somewhere, we're talking about well armed and funded militias that are being used to fight a proxy war, killing civilians.

Regarding Kharkiv and Mariupol I won't discuss further as you clearly are more motivated by rhetoric, than talking about actual facts.

[dang]

Please do not cross into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[avasylev]

The statements you make don't pass basic sniff test. America training anti-russian militias in Kharhiv, would be like Russia training anti-american militas in Toronto. Did America trains some small % of overal ukrainian army - yes, can you find some wierdoes there - sure. But large scale anti-russian milita training in kharhiv is nuts (well was nuts until last week, now it's different story)

About rethoric vs facts. Is Kharhiv not predominant russian speaking population? In 2010 elections Kharkiv voted 70% for Yanukovych, very pro-russian candidate (wanted to unite Ukraine with Russia which resulted in hime being booted in the end). Today Kharkiv is resisting russian invasion for 7th day, surrounded 40km from russain border, is all this resitance by american trained neo-nazis?

[jmull]

The Kremlin propaganda isn't about the existence of of neo-nazis but about whether that justifies an invasion.

You are repeatedly conflating these two things, which leads to poor logic and conclusions.

[jacquesm]

There are more Neo Nazi's in Moscow alone than in all of Ukraine. Heck, in NL they are sitting in Parliament. Germany the same. USA the same. The whole of the West has a Neo Nazi problem. And we will have to deal with that, but open societies, freedom of speech and democracies are an ideal breeding ground for this sort of thing.

[JumpCrisscross]

If behaving like a Nazi justifies invasion, we need to plough some missiles into Moscow. Barrelling tanks into a resisting democracy is about as Nazi as one can get.