[koonsolo]

All the Russian speaking Ukrainians are pro Ukraine and want the Russians out. So how likely do you think it is that those regions are really separatist?

Russia claims that the Russians that are fighting there are "volunteers". So basically everybody in that region knows very well who they are really fighting. Not Ukrainians but Russian "volunteers".

Ukrainians have both the time (they tasted western freedom and don't want to go back, russian troops need to be paid by the day) and the watches (javlins, stingers, US intelligence and now extra jet fighters)

[cudgy]

> All the Russian speaking Ukrainians are pro Ukraine and want the Russians out.

How do you know this to be the case?

[koonsolo]

Charkov is mainly Russian speaking. Show me the media where they are welcoming their invaders.

Here is the media of the current situation. Doesn't seem very welcoming does it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev0x9pqYqvs

https://youtu.be/XnTGHUCN7SQ?t=75

[jacquesm]

The bravery on display makes me choke up.

People seem to make the mistake to think that the citizens that speak Russian are automatically pro Russian. But that isn't the case, they are Lithuanians first for the most part.

[cudgy]

Good luck finding video on YouTube favorable to any Russian viewpoints. “The media” is cultivated to display or at least promote the main narrative of the US policymakers.

[throwawaylinux]

> All the Russian speaking Ukrainians are pro Ukraine and want the Russians out.

I didn't say they wanted Russian occupation necessarily, just that they were separatist from Ukraine. They were all significantly in favor of Ukrainian independence from USSR of course.

> So how likely do you think it is that those regions are really separatist?

Are you in denial of the existence of Ukrainian separatist regions and the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic?

[koonsolo]

The people there don't want to separate from Ukraine. They identify as Ukrainian.

[throwawaylinux]

All the people do not support the DPR and LPR or separation from Ukraine certainly don't want to separate from Ukraine, I'll give you that much.

[raxxorrax]

> All the Russian speaking Ukrainians are pro Ukraine and want the Russians out

The ethnic lines between Government/Separatists aren't that clear and if that were the case, then Putin would be correct in criticising discrimination too.