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by LanternLight83 1573 days ago
"Ukraine" means outskirts, so one way to read it is that "Outskirts" is clearly the proper noun of a country, where-as "The outskirts" is a territory.

"The US", however, means "The United States", which makes it really clear that you're talking about the States as a nation (or at least as organized states) and gives it a lot of resistance to this nuance. The cleanest equivalent would "America" vs "the Americas", but because that's clearly too broad. Where a single article is all it takes to change the implication in the case of Ukraine, here we'd need more explicitly refer to the land, like "the continental US territory".

It's also worth noting that no one would be scrutinizing statements about the US in the same way because it doesn't have a context that puts it in dispute. At least in casual contexts, inaccuracies are often overlooked when what you meant to say is clear and uncontroversial.

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When it has a capital letter at the beginning, it’s perfectly clear that we’re referring to a country, rather than “the outskirts”. When our text is in English, it’s clear that “Ukraine” refers to a country, not “outskirts”. This is downright ridiculous and it’s annoying that some people are so deficient in application of contextual understanding that they criticize others in this way. Be nice to people and stop playing word police. This isn’t Reddit.
Ukraine means «fortified area»: укріплення (fortifications) + край (area) = україна (ookruhїnuh, Ukraine). It's a number of fortification lines built to protect Europe from eastern nomads. Russian are replacing Oo by Oh at the beginning to make «Outskirt» (of Moscow) in Russian language. Don't spread falsified version, please.

One of the French engineers, who built fortification lines, Guillaume de Beauplan[0], created the first map (1639) and wrote a book about Ukraine.

It was correct to refer to these fortifications as «The Ukraine» before Ukraine received independence from the Russian Empire, but no longer.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Le_Vasseur_de_Beaupl...

The name "Outskirts" implies the question "Outskirts of what?"

Maybe a name change would be appropriate.

Outskirts of Poland and Russia.

Regarding name change: be careful what you wish for; it may indeed be coming.

Far be it from any of us to tell a country what it should name itself.