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by gloryjulio 1574 days ago
But starting a total war and trying decapitate the capital vs local conflicts is completely different.

NATO and US did not fight side by side either(at least for now). They just provide equipment and money. And it's very clear from the start only Putin wanted this war proactively and there is only reaction from the other side.
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skinnymuch 1574 days ago
The US is in NATO. The US effectively controls NATO. Writing “NATO and US” does not make sense.
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sinyug 1574 days ago
> Putin wanted this war

Yes.

> proactively

No. He could have done this any time he wanted over the last 8 years. So why now? I don't know what, but some thing has changed in the strategic calculus after the Trump administration went out. That is when he wrote about the historical unity of the Rus peoples. And everything else follows from there.

> there is only reaction from the other side.

They lit the fuse with the eastward expansion of NATO and the attempts to place ABMs close to Russia back in the 2000s. It is not as if Russia invaded some country in Africa or South America. It has invaded a neighbor, a former Soviet state for reasons of national security.

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gloryjulio 1574 days ago
You only list what are favors Putin's stance while totally writes off all the other points like nuclear agreement, mirrored Taiwan situation. How about Russia tried to join NATO too? I am not going through every points in such biased manner.

None of the above justify the total war and kill civilians of another sovereign state like this, end of story. You can keep wasting your time on this site.

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skinnymuch 1574 days ago
What does Russia tried to join NATO mean?

Why does NATO exist? Your bias is possibly just as much as your claiming of the other person.

> nuclear agreement

How was Ukraine ever going to use the nukes on their land? They didn’t have control of them, did they?

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You brought up different conflicts and issues again. So again. What about America and part of Europe’s involvement with the ruthless murdering of innocents in Yemen? Or Palestine? Or the downfall and continued problems of Libya after taking out Gaddafi?

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