[sinyug]

> History will not look kindly on those who insisted on a neutral stance on the face of evil.

In that case, let us start with the war criminals in the US and Europe, and their enablers in the media, technology and think tank space, who illegally invaded Afghanistan and countries in the Middle East (and Africa) and unleashed a reign of terror for 20 years.

[alangibson]

There's one of "these guys" in every thread.

What exactly is your position? Do you really think the right course of action is tell the country being actively invaded that we'll get back to them right after we're done with a decade of prosecutions?

[formerly_proven]

"The US got away with illegitimate wars so we should be able to invade and destroy democracies in our neighborhood, too"

[alxlaz]

So if you think a non-neutral stance would've been warranted in those cases, do you also support one now?

[user-the-name]

Maybe let's start with those who are right this very moment killing people in their homes.

We can get to the rest later. Right now, bombs are falling.

[waffleiron]

I think the point they are making is that the "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU.

[Cthulhu_]

It's double standards; the US is guilty of war crimes and has yet to face any consequences or even condemnation. They got away with labeling people as a category putting them outside of the US's own legal system, international law, and the Geneva Convention; oh no they're not enemy soldiers / POWs, they are terrorists, it's Different. That led to them being put in CIA black sites and Gitmo and made them victims of inhumane treatment and routine torture. Some have been incarcerated for twenty years now without trial. The world knows, footage from the humiliation and sexual abuse in gitmo came out years and years ago... and nothing happened.

If this was e.g. a central or eastern European country, its leaders would be on trial in The Hague by now.

[sinyug]

> "get the rest later" never actually ever seems to happen when it comes to the US and EU.

This.

The neocon-influenced US addiction to spreading freedom and democracy to authoritarian countries has been almost universally deadly to their citizens. While these dictators are bad, it is the unfortunate truth that their brutality helps keep sectarian conflict in check. Look at every place that has had the US gift of democracy forcibly shoved down its throat.

[user-the-name]

Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that.

[sinyug]

> Russia is currently firing on innocent civilians in a sovereign country right now. Explain how what you just said is relevant to that.

According to a multi-decade policy followed by Western countries, that is not a crime.

[alxlaz]

According to you, is that a crime, or not?

[user-the-name]

Sure. But, again. Bombs are falling on innocent people right now. That is more important no matter what.