[_8j50]

I disagree. The invasion of Ukraine was not a surprise. Even Trump was impeached for witholding aid to Ukraine because this threat has been around for a while now. I still remember when their previous president or PM sold them out to Russia by selling of a base or something and they had fist fights in their parliament because of it. The US and pals tell everyone what to do in their country, including putin (see Chechnya), they invade Iraq for Oil but act like they are better than when russia invaded Georgia. Russia's economy depends on oil sales to neighbors and to Putin, the only thing preventing the west from twisting their arms is nukes, the US has been handing out THAAD and hosting nukes in NATO states, Ukraine and Georgia have the desire to join NATO. This isn't that surprising. Putin wants a buffer of former soviet states . Of course, I personally disagree with his views but from his perspective invading Ukraine was in the best interest of his rule and preserving Russia's sovreignity.

The whole WW3 scare is silly. Putin isn't interested in a 1000 year reich. He's a KGB spy who spent his life resisting western influence, he is doing what he does best. Now that they have him feel cornerned though, things will get very bad. He may invade all the former soviet sattelites and the west should stay out of it unless WW3 is on the calendar.

[redisman]

This WW3 scare is IMHO stupid. Just let Russia take Ukraine? Kazakhstan? Lithuania? Georgia? Finland? Sweden? Estonia? Poland?

Where do you draw the line? I don’t think any of those are acceptable. If you don’t fight a expansionist tyrant then what do you envision happens? Sacrificing innocent free countries to (maybe) appease a monster is completely out of the question.

Things can get bad if you interfere - things are guaranteed to get bad if you don’t

[_8j50]

They had their chance to join NATO. They made their choice to stand on their own. It sucks it russia goes after them but each nation has the right of self-determination and reslonsibility of forming alliances and and a military to defend its borders. "We won't join NATO because you will save us when the time comes anyways" is not a good stance but it is the stance these very democratic nations took.

[encryptluks2]

> If you don’t fight a expansionist tyrant then what do you envision happens?

Tell that the Iraqis or Libyans or Syrians or Afghanis. Oh wait, they are terrorists when they do it but Ukrainians are freedom fighters?

[vhgyu75e6u]

Ah yes who can forget the mighty parallels between Gaddafi and Assad with the current Ukrainian president.

[encryptluks2]

Ah yes, it is the US who gets to declare who the proper leaders are and to liberate and create corporatocracies around the world.

[PixyMisa]

No, Trump was impeached for inquiring into Biden withholding aid to Ukraine.

[_8j50]

Biden was not in office for years at the time. Trump withheld 400mil$ from ukraine until Ukraine announces a fake investigation into Biden's son.