[dvt]

> Are there US/British/etc. nationals in Ukraine, doing their own protective sabotage/engaging directly with the enemy? I find this very difficult to believe, for the reasons stated in the previous comment.

Why do you think black ops in Ukraine is beyond the pale (technically even intelligence support kind of drags NATO into this)? I agree with you that they are probably instructed to not directly engage with the Russians, but sabotage and training doesn't really seem that far fetched to me, although..

> including that Ukrainian soldiers don't need months of training to operate the push-button munitions that NATO has dumped on them

..this is actually a great point. With Javelins and NLAWs that just about anyone in this thread could use against tanks and helis effectively, maybe they don't need any on-ground assistance.

[woodruffw]

Yeah, it's basically just that: Ukraine's armed forces are better equipped to identify and protect/defensively sabotage their own country's infrastructure than NATO would be, and everything NATO has given them shouldn't require training that they can't do themselves (if any is needed at all).

But it's all just speculation on my part! That's what HN does best, after all.