[klyrs]

My grandpa was held in a concentration camp in Poland (red triangle). He escaped, got picked up by British intelligence, went back in, and helped more prisoners escape on his way back out. His last words to me were "give 'em hell." But you do you, I guess.

[ghusto]

So because your grandfather chose to fight Nazis, everyone who doesn't want to fight in any war is a coward and is to be mocked?

Look, good for grandfather, you should be proud, but don't piss in people making rational decisions in a completely different situation.

[ceejayoz]

I think the point is more "the world needs people who'll stand up to this sort of thing".

[egfx]

That’s right. I was born In Odessa a city in a country I proudly visited more then 15 years ago to see the apartment block where I was born. Today the picture of the steps that’s been the poster of my Facebook profile for a decade is guarded by a Ukrainian tank. I’m happy to see that modern day freedom fighter Ukrainians are standing up for democratic principals and what I was bright to this country to escape from. It’s a difficult situation. I admire they’re courage.

[kbelder]

Don't claim that fighting to defend your family, city, and nation is irrational, even when the odds are against you.

Some people have strong values, that they're willing to risk their life for even a chance to preserve. Some people don't. But if you're not, for God's sake, don't spend your time trying to dissuade and condemn those who are.

[ghusto]

For sure, and I see now how it reads as me saying doing so is irrational. That wasn't my intention though.

I just meant that comparing this to how someone's grandfather fought the Nazis is BS, and the people who chose to not fight shouldn't be judged by that false comparison.

Some people chose not to put "their country" before their own lives, and that's fine with me.

[BeetleB]

Two problems:

False dichotomy.

Putting words in the other's mouth.

[ghusto]

Yes that's pretty much what I was getting at.

[klyrs]

No,

> everyone who doesn't want to fight in any war is a coward and is to be mocked

was putting words in my mouth.

[klyrs]

Nah, I don't think folks should be mocked, that's not productive. Resistance can take many forms, and you'll note that I didn't mention "fighting." He was a soldier before his unit was captured, but that wasn't where he was most effective: what he did was pay attention, strategize, and help others escape with him.

Resist. Whether that involves a Kalashnikov, or simply shitting in a water supply, resist. I won't judge you if you don't. It's your internal critic that you're going to spend the rest of your life with.