[Merem]

I mean, do you deny that the Ukrainian army has been shelling civilians in the separatist regions? A fellow countryman moved there since no one of the press bothered to report over the years and she confirmed it. And even apart from that, it's not like reports from the OSCE and UN aren't available. Furthermore, considering that the Ukrainian government enacted language and racial laws (can be easily looked up) and employs right-wing extremist military groups like the Azov Battalion as National Guard...it should give you something to think about. But well, most just blindly consume US(-controlled) media without doing some basic fact-checking even, let alone engage in critical thinking.

[FollowingTheDao]

There is a serious issue with neo-nazi's in Ukraine who the U.S. supports because they are anti-russia. (I feel like I am living during the beginning of the Iraq war all over again.)

[_joel]

The press have been reporting the fighting in Donetsk and Luhansk since it started 8 years ago, what are you talking about?

[Merem]

Depends on which country you are from. There wasn't exactly reporting from it (at best only at the beginning) here which is why she moved there. Additionally, now the general tenor is that "Putin" invaded Ukraine basically without any reason even though there were several said by him. He even warned the Ukraine of consequences should they continue with the aggression when Russia formally acknowledged the separatist regions. In response, the Ukraine even increased the aggression (shelling etc).

[_joel]

He pumped money into the seperatists for years, destabalising the region even further than it would have been. There is no excuse for what he's doing.

[Merem]

You mean like paying social benefits (pensions etc)? Possibly. After all, Ukraine was supposed to do that according to Minsk II but they violated the agreement in more than enough points. Personally, I see the NATO sending weapons and establishing bases...ah, they don't call them "bases" but "mission" instead to train military and the like as destabilizing factors.

(Then there is also the interesting issue of American biolabs in Ukraine (and other countries bordering Russia). There were reports of what the US does there but we will see whether the Russians can still find anything or whether it's too late.)

Anyway, it's pretty much already over and the West won. Putin/Russia got painted as the baddies + more sanctions (e.g. Nord Stream II suspended, so now the US can sell their shitty, overpriced fracking stuff to the EU). The Ukraine got screwed over/played by the West but they had already achieved a lot of goals (getting access to all the rich soil + controlling it for example as well as dividing brothers and sisters by supporting nationalists to the point where we now have those language/racial laws). But hey, apparently a lot of Western people support such a government. "Slava Ukraini/Heil Ukraine", as they say.

[rkuykendall-com]

I love that HN has all sorts. To read a pro-dictator, pro-invasion, pro-authoritarianism argument is still a surprise, but at least it's something new to read.

[_joel]

U ok hun?