[recon517]

> North Korea has been in the status of pariah state for decades and hasn't bent an inch.

There are sanctions on the NK leadership and you have to convert them and their children into the Western way of thinking before they can even give open information to regular people. Right now Russia just started to censor its internet and Western values together with Western media cat still freely flow to Russia's people. This window of opportunity is closing rapidly, over though.

> Compare that to China for whom we gladly swept the Tiananman Massacre under the rug, respected their sovereignty, made them a top trading partner and they have also not bent an inch.

Because China has ~ 1B people and it heavily censors its media from the start. You cannot change mentality of so many people so fast.

[tootie]

Yeah China censors media. So does Russia. So long as the control media they can make the population believe nonsense. Even countries with statutory freedom of speech are getting bombarded with propaganda very effectively. It's never been easier to get huge swaths of a national population to believe abject lies. Once they believe that government abuses are necessary for security they will get away with them forever.

[recon517]

You can not really compare Chinese and Russian censorship as of 2022. They are still on a completely different scale.