[2143]

> NATO and especially USA should have responded by sending two thousands soldiers to Kiev

And Russia would've been scared and retreated.

Sarcasm aside, all that would've done is accelerate the whole invasion procedure.

And then the 2000 troops would be killed by Russia.

Then America/NATO will retaliate.

That'll be the endgame.

[mopsi]

> And Russia would've been scared and retreated.

Yes. Without sarcasm.

This happened several times with Trump, who despite all his faults, was a master bullshitter and master at seeing through other bullshitters. A notable episode was an attack by Russian Wagner group on a small outpost held by 30-something US special forces soldiers guarding a gas plant in Syria. Signals intelligence was later able to capture a few phone calls of survivors describing what had happened[1]. Russians were used to fighting poorly trained rebels, but now fell under combined arms fire from a modern army and it was a total massacre. They got hit from drones, artillery, Apaches and F-22s. Russian casualties: some 300 dead out of 600, American losses: 0.

After that, Russians were much less eager to provoke the US. They test every president like this. Obama failed ("red lines" in Syria), Trump succeeded, Biden... depends on what he does next.

[1] https://www.polygraph.info/a/29044452.html

[creato]

You're omitting a critical detail: Russia denied that those forces were Russian, effectively green lighting the US response. That's not a useful "test".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

[mopsi]

Denying involvement is their modus operandi, which backfired in this case. They obviously didn't expect one of the worst humiliations in modern military history.

[2143]

> modern army and it was a total massacre

You don't get it.

Look, nobody has any doubt that USA is very powerful. But that doesn't mean they must annihilate the world.

And Russia is no slouch.

Diplomacy is the need of the hour.

As somebody who lives far far away from Europe and North America (in a country that's supposed to have no skin in this game), I don't want to get killed because Uncle Sam wants to show who's boss.

[mopsi]

> Look, nobody has any doubt that USA is very powerful.

Russia obviously doubts. All that power is useless if you are afraid of using it. Russia conquered Crimea in 2014 without firing a single shot in the best spirit of Sun Tzu because everyone else was so deathly afraid of what might happen that it utterly paralyzed them.

Congratz on being far away. I live next to a strategically important rail bridge that will get hit by a missile in the next round if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine. I don't think appeasement is going to achieve that.

[2143]

> Russia obviously doubts

You still don't get it. Do you doubt that Russia is powerful? Hence, the diplomacy.

> strategically important rail bridge

That's kind of the problem isn't it? Strategic assets near Russia (I think it's safe to assume the aforementioned bridge isn't in Albuquerque, New Mexico) is concerning to them.

Every country involved is protecting their own interests.

I have no sympathy for any of the governments involved. On any side.

However, I hope that you and your family would be safe.

[tremon]

Diplomacy is the need of the hour.

Diplomacy was yesterhour's need. It failed, otherwise there wouldn't be Russian troops all over Ukraine right now.

[raxxorrax]

There was no diplomacy because the position of Russia was completely ignored. Surprisingly China stated openly that it was the fault of the west. That is ridiculous because they are not the people to invade here, but at no point was there effective diplomacy. On the contrary, everyone called Putins hand and now he put it on the table.

[ghostwriter]

It failed because the US diplomats were too ignorant to take Putin's "red line" demands (Ukraine never getting into NATO) seriously and they discarded any possibility for immediate negotiations on that matter too eagerly.

[hef19898]

Not so sure if Trump succeeded. All Trump did was tell Putin "do whatever you want with whomever, as long as you leave my interests alone" (as in my personal interests). Did you forget the Helsinki summit, the one without interpreter? Or the Russian bounty on US troops in Afghanistan?

[woodpanel]

Amazing, there are still people out there believing the Russian Bounty hoax?

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/liz-cheney-lied-about-her-r...

[CodeArtisan]

It was the only way to tell Putin to stop and to prevent an invasion; you send troops at the border, we will do the same on our side and they will stay as long as yours stay there.