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by hef19898 1575 days ago
Putting myself in Russia's shoes for a moment, I understand why they are worried about NATO expanding East. Would be like, Mexico maybe, joining a revamped Warsaw Pact under Russian leadership. NATO, naturally, wouldn't be that thrilled by that prospect. Depending on leadership, war would definitely be on the table. We, as in the West, went to war and invaded sovereign countries for all kinds of reasons since the 90s. Some of those reasons were also completely made up.

All that is water under the bridge so. I think if the "free" West (I mean that non-ironically, just to acknowledge that there are various ways to define freedom, not all of which are compatible with Western views. And that the West usually doesn't have problems ignoring those freedoms when needed (Saudi, China, UAE, Turkey,...)) doesn't act now, we will have to either roll over later against an aggressor or react much harsher then we would have to now. If Putin can redraw the maps now, China will be next to try. Followed by any other large country that has territorial interests against a smaller one.

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The prospect of China invading Taiwan suddenly became a lot more real today.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-says-must-...

> Speaking in Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying dismissed any link between the issues of Ukraine and Taiwan.

> "Taiwan is not Ukraine," she said. "Taiwan has always been an inalienable part of China. This is an indisputable legal and historical fact."

That's exactly what Putin has been saying about Russia and Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Rus...

> In the essay, Putin argues that Russians and Ukrainians, along with Belarusians, are one people, belonging to what has historically been known as the triune Russian nation. To support the claim, he describes in length his views on the history of Russia and Ukraine, concluding that Russians and Ukrainians share a common heritage and destiny.

> The essay denies the existence of Ukraine as an independent nation...

There's no need to imagine, look at the treatment of Cuba, including the Cuban Missile crisis for daring to join "the other side". It's still under sanctions, decades later, for that..
Iran comes to mind as well, for disposing the Shah. A couple of years ago there was the risk of an US invasion of Iran as well.