[warner_of_doom]

Russia and America turned Ukraine into a "if we can't have, burn it to the ground" situation.

I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US.

NATO proposed Ukrainian and Georgian membership of NATO in 2005-2008, in the clear knowledge that this would destabilize the situation.

France, Germany, and others were against this. The proposal began the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJBQikfYyKs

We then openly backed the 2014 putsch in Kiev, an open act of aggression just as irresponsible as a military incursion. CIA John Brennan, Senator John McCain, and Diplomat Victoria Nuland were there in Ukraine when Yanukovych was being overthrown. There is also evidence to show that we were involved through NGOs in overthrowing and promoting an atmosphere desiring the overthrow of Yanukovych.

[2OEH8eoCRo0]

> I am for keeping Ukraine as a neutral buffer separating Russia and the US.

What does Ukraine want?

[warner_of_doom]

You may think that this is a 'smart' or 'moral' question. But, it really isn't.

What did Austria want?

To be left alone so that it doesn't suffer casualties.

That's what Ukraine wanted, but we pushed them into non-neutrality and anti-Russia.

[warner_of_doom]

Contrary to popular belief, that is only a small consideration in geostrategic security politics.