[anthropodie]

I read here on HN that Google has come up with new way to buypass all trackers and adblockers and I think things are going to get really bad for web.

I think it's time we build a directory of applications or a search engine which indexes only the websites that do not use any trackers. The damage of tracking industry to whole web is irreparable but I think we have an opportunity to build a new web that can have mechanisms to prevent any sort of tracking.

[scrollaway]

Kagi.com lets you filter for and signal boost results without trackers. It’s very nice.

[danskeren]

I wanted to do something similar for my search engine when I proxied results from Bing (similar to what Kagi.com is doing according to their FAQ), however, it felt like a gimmick because I had so little control over what websites to boost.

The reason I had little control is because Bing's API limit you to requesting 50 results which is usually SEO spam with trackers.. so all I accomplished was e.g. moving Wikipedia from second to first position while 9+/10 of the returned results still contained trackers for pretty much all queries.

If you have access to Kagi.com then I'm curious to hear what results you see when you search for e.g. "Manchester United". I suspect all of them (except Wikipedia) will contain trackers. If that's not the case then I would love to hear how people think they managed to filter out all the bad sites while still displaying other results besides Wikipedia.

[scrollaway]

Here's the result, using the ad/tracker sort:

https://imgur.com/CXrWsJr

It does say that there are ads and trackers on a variety of those. Though I see for example that it says 0 detected for espn, which is .. uh, dubious I guess. But then again privacy badger blocks nothing there so maybe it's correct?

It also says Twitter and Facebook have no trackers. I think that's technically correct, if they mean "third party" trackers. Difficult to say; I don't disagree with that approach.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

And who would moderate it? Who would make sure they don't cheat and don't insert some tracking code at some point in the future? I don't believe automatic checking would work, unless you decide any JS equals tracking (and at this point you'd be better of just disabling JS).

[anthropodie]

well then I guess the criteria to index websites would be those who have no js.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

even if someone did it this way (as a switch in DDG for example), there is no way of guaranteeing that the ebsite didn't implement some JS between the time it got indexed and your visit

honestly, just disabling JS is the only bulletproof way of making sure you don't run any JS