[ipnon]

Article by ipnon "On the Historical Unity of Americans and Russians"

"Russians, Ukrainians, and Americans are all descendants of Ancient Sahelanthropus ... We all come from the same Hominid species out of Africa"

See that was easy? Oh wait, I don't have thousands of nuclear weapons and an army of millions.

We are sadly seeing the return of might equals right, and history is written by the victors. But the difference this time is that the strong have the option of ending everything for everyone if they so choose. Assuming Putin is crazy like Hitler, then who knows if this is what he will decide to do.

The military options available to great powers today gives the most leverage to the most deranged. Americans and the West have lost their appetites for war and imperialism. The costs are too great and the benefits are marginal. The depravity of the Russian ideology-state doesn't have these limitations.

MAD means Russia wins as long the conflict is a military one. The only way out of this now turning Ukraine into Russia's Iraq/Afghanistan. An endless insurgency that grinds down resources and public opinion. It's a hybrid war of plausible deniability, disinformation, and cyber warfare. Europe is in this situation because the West is fighting fire with water guns.

The Bear will stalk eastwards until we play the same game.

[vasac]

> Americans and the West have lost their appetites for war and imperialism.

Let's wait for at least 10-20 years without invading other countries before even start talking about end of imperialism.

[torstenvl]

> at least 10-20 years without invading other countries

Lots of academic discussion to be had about what exactly constitutes an invasion, but the U.S. has not taken a mass of its armed forces into a country to fight that country's recognized government since 19 years ago in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Things I don't consider invasions, from strongest to weakest: steaming through international waters that China considers its own; fighting Daesh on Iraqi soil at the explicit invitation of the Iraqis; helping Saudi Arabia in its fight against Houthis in Yemen at the invitation of the Yemeni government; enforcing a no-fly in Libyan air space; special forces fighting Daesh on Syrian soil. Reasonable people may disagree on some of these but I believe my view is the mainstream. When people think of "a military invasion," the term certainly has a connotation, and maybe a denotation, of heavy armor and infantry divisions rolling in for the purpose of occupation.

[panick21_]

> helping Saudi Arabia in its fight against Houthis in Yemen at the invitation of the Yemeni government;

And by the Yemeni government you mean of course the Saudi puppet with literally no legitimacy what so ever. Even the very, very little legitimacy he had as the Vice-President of the former dictator, that dictator had already been rejected and disposed.

Of course they tired a totally unconstitutional Napoleonic style election to give justification for their actions. But it speaks volumes that 'the Yemini government' by now is a guy sitting in a hotel in Saudi Arabia having been kicked out repeatedly from multiple cities in Yemen because not even the supposed allies of the Saudi coalitions want him.

And they are both blockading Yemen economically and had actual US troupes fly over Yemen. And helping in lots of other ways.

Its in my opinion as despicable an set of action as any invasion.

> special forces fighting Daesh on Syrian soil

The total of American presents in Syria is far more then what we would usually special forces. I guess you can just define anything as 'special' if you want to.

In reality they are occupying large parts of Syria against the will of the internationally recognized government long after even the flimsy excuse of an emergency situation is no longer valid.

> When people think of "a military invasion," the term certainly has a connotation, and maybe a denotation, of heavy armor and infantry divisions rolling in for the purpose of occupation.

Imperialism is not just innovation. The British Empire didn't invade a lot of places that it considered essentially or explicitly part of the empire.

So instead of quibbling about what constitutes an 'invasion' lets just recognize the essential reality.

[pydry]

>We are sadly seeing the return of might equals right

Seeing its return? It never went away.