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by throw0101a 1582 days ago
See also Anne Applebaum:

> Putin is preparing to invade Ukraine again—or pretending he will invade Ukraine again—for the same reason. He wants to destabilize Ukraine, frighten Ukraine. He wants Ukrainian democracy to fail. He wants the Ukrainian economy to collapse. He wants foreign investors to flee. He wants his neighbors—in Belarus, Kazakhstan, even Poland and Hungary—to doubt whether democracy will ever be viable, in the longer term, in their countries too. Farther abroad, he wants to put so much strain on Western and democratic institutions, especially the European Union and NATO, that they break up. He wants to keep dictators in power wherever he can, in Syria, Venezuela, and Iran. He wants to undermine America, to shrink American influence, to remove the power of the democracy rhetoric that so many people in his part of the world still associate with America. He wants America itself to fail.

> These are big goals, and they might not be achievable. But Putin’s beloved Soviet Union also had big, unachievable goals. Lenin, Stalin, and their successors wanted to create an international revolution, to subjugate the entire world to the Soviet dictatorship of the proletariat. Ultimately, they failed—but they did a lot of damage while trying. Putin will also fail, but he too can do a lot of damage while trying. And not only in Ukraine.

* https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/putin-ukra...

* https://archive.fo/bmQmO

It would also explain the Russian operations with regards to Brexit and the 2016 US election: the more chaos the West has, the better it is for Russia.

See also funding of more extreme political parties in the EU, with a focus on the far-right in recent years:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–European_Union_relation...

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Russia has been holding the same military drills for over a decade without triggering this panic. [0]

Also, calling Ukraine a democracy is a bit of a stretch. They shut down 3 tv stations critical of the government, and imprisoned a political rival. I am sure there are people here that would love to shutdown RT, but we don't do that in a democracy.

[0] 2020: Russian Military Exercises Near Ukraine. 100 to 120 thousand troops. No WW3, no threat of nukes. https://empr.media/news/conflict-zone/russian-military-exerc...

earlier:

2016 https://www.vox.com/2016/9/1/12729426/russia-troops-ukraine-...

2017 https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2017/09/13/whats-putin-up...

2018 https://archive.is/0gqL0

2019 https://radiolemberg.com/en/ua-articles/ua-allarticles/almos...

> Russia has been holding the same military drills for over a decade without triggering this panic. [0]

This post hasn't aged well. :)

Seems different this time.
I suspect "Anne Applebaum"'s loyalty doesn't lie with America.
We've banned this account for repeatedly posting unsubstantive comments, flamebait comments, and this sort of comment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Without arguing over content, why the quotes? Applebaum is well documented as existing.
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Please don't fulminate, use HN for political or ideological battle, post in the flamewar style (including nationalistic flamewar, god help us), or take threads on generic tangents, especially generic ideological ones. (Oh, and one more thing: or use allcaps for emphasis).

All this is in the site guidelines—would you mind reviewing them, and sticking to the rules when posting here? We'd appreciate it. The idea on HN is curious conversation. Comments like the one you posted one, and the others you posted to this thread, nuke that.

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> the alternative is strong men using cruelty to extract wealth at any cost.

That sounds like America now...

Go to Africa to see wealth extracted at any cost. Economic and environmental devastation and lots of otherwise preventable suffering.
> Economic and environmental devastation and lots of otherwise preventable suffering.

Still sounds a lot like the US

> Democracy forever. Human rights forever. Freedom of speech, commerce, association and religion forever.

Are you familiar with the Economist? They were saying this stuff in 1843, way before it became popular. They're the real deal!