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by ruhrharry
1582 days ago
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Yes, and also vim and other vi clones.
But what is the point of having a secure and integrated OS if you have to pull software from ports (which are not so thoroughly audited and tested as the main OS)? One point of using BSD is (so the BSD people say) to have an operating system where everything comes from the same team - kernel and userland, unlike Linux where kernel and userland comes from dozens if not hundreds of different origins. But if you start to use arbitrary ports in BSD your OS is not much better than Linux in that regard |
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For a host I did primary development on, I’d install vim (visual mode and then syntax highlighting was so nice).
But we managed config centrally with idempotent scripts that handled the differences (like no getent on HP-UX). We did have to install ksh88 or a clone everywhere to get a stable consistent shell. GNU was flaky on so many platforms then.
Vi was always there for those WTF scenarios, less as a primary programming editor. And it is so nice on slow connections, where repainting the whole screen for every keystroke sucked.
It really annoyed me when Linuxes dropped the basic vi everywhere in favor of nano. I’d be fine with nano as a default for accessibility, but at least have some vi in my path.
Our standard images include it, but I always forget when I’m testing/debugging locally with Vagrant or a Docker image.
Vi is always a little weird. I don’t think any 2 people use it the same. Everyone has their own go-to set of commands. Pairing with grey beards influenced me so much.
I actually started with emacs in college, but real life with 1,000s of servers forced the change. I don’t have the muscle memory for it anymore and have no desire to go back.
Nowadays my local neovim config is almost VSCode. But I still like VSCode-ish in vi more than vi-ish in VSCode. I tried, but inevitably do something that VSCode’s vim plug-in doesn’t support.
I do use go more and more for complex stuff, but often am forced back to shell due to old kernels still out there which hurts my soul.