[voidhorse]

Agreed. I don’t think programming with autocomplete is even a problem so much as learning to program with autocomplete is a problem. I think everyone should start out with a barebones text editor to get used to thinking things through and not relying on advanced IDE features as crutches.

[jolux]

I mostly agree. It's a little hard for me to remember how I started because I'm almost fully self-taught and I never restricted myself like that. I think it's best to start people off with a friendly and helpful but minimal environment. Scratch is good for younger kids and is what I started with, and DrRacket is close to ideal for anyone older than maybe 10.

[chrischen]

I use Ocaml and the type system and language server basically remove the need for things like a debugger, or even run-time testing while developing, that you might need in some other language. It tells you type of every function, variable, etc. While it's not needed, the language server works in tandem with the type system to basically tell you exactly what's happening in your code.

[smaudet]

Type systems are half of the equation, but what do you do when the algorithm is wrong? Type systems don't constrain you from writing incorrect solutions to the echo cancelation problem...you need real world data and runtime tooling for that. This is where IDE type tooling shines, nobody cares about the editor or the code in the end...