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by lvxferre 1580 days ago
A lot* of the criticism against RSS/Atom that I've seen on the internet boils down to appeal to novelty; both are old, so assumed to be "bad".

But hey, they work. They fill a purpose - they warn you about updates in a site that you might want to check out. They do one thing, and do it well; and for me that "one thing" can be new manga series to read, new videos to watch, news from my city's site (it has RSS), so goes on. How exactly would be this "bad"?

*"a lot" is not "all".

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The problem is, RSS is not compatible with a few popular models:

1. Closed platform - Places like Spotify, Twitter, Facebook, etc, are dis-incentivized to help you consume content unless they can get you trapped in their UI with your logged in account.

2. Web as a program - Tonnes of people are trying to replace websites with 'apps' and replace programs with the web, neither of which lend themselves nicely to being RSS friendly.

3. RSS popularity - Very few people (compared to the majority of the web) are consuming RSS. Most users will be using Chrome/Firefox/Safari/Edge only. They get their notifications by keeping tabs open or via push notifications.

I think the way forwards is to normalise RSS by rebuilding it into the web. I've often thought about what and RSS-based social media may look like. It's a shame Open Graph [1] didn't use more RSS functionality.

[1] https://ogp.me/

I get twitter feeds by RSS. I use https://nitter.net which is a privacy focused proxy for twitter. It has an in-built RSS feature.

Eg., https://nitter.net/jack/rss, original account https://nitter.net/jack. If this instance does not work, then try https://nitter.kavin.rocks/jack and https://nitter.kavin.rocks/jack/rss. And if you also need reply tweets, then https://nitter.net/jack/with_replies/rss.

For Youtube, reddit is also possible, might be for spotify too. For Meta owned social media sites like Instagram, Facebook, I don't think it can be done.

Your point 2 and 3 are valid and true.

> I get twitter feeds by RSS.

I didn't realise it was capable of serving RSS! It still puts you at the mercy of Twitter's API support and a random host to not interfere with the original message...

> For Youtube, reddit is also possible, might be for spotify too.

I don't use Reddit (HackerNews is as far down the internet rabbit hole as I want to go), but I know Youtube still allows RSS (just about). They have been slowly but surely removing the feature though. You used to be able to export all of your subscribers as OPML, now you can't. There used to be an easy way to find RSS feeds, now there isn't. I suspect before long they will move to remove them entirely.

> but I know Youtube still allows RSS (just about). They have been slowly but surely removing the feature though.

Can you elaborate? I can still find the YouTube RSS link in the page source (or just paste the normal channel link into Feedbin and it'll automatically get the RSS feed) and it seems to work fine.

Time for someone to reinvent RSS in JSON or YAML
We probably would have all saved tons of money if we listened to the people that were saying don't kill RSS long ago, but we keep repeating history because the decision makers always love a flashy new marketing presentation over "good old stable, simple, and reliable". :[