[karmakurtisaani]

I've been out of the game for so long that maybe I'm completely out of touch, but if I was to re-enter the market for some reason, I'd approach this more as a challenge to get to know people and make friends rather than a quick way to get to rub genitals together.

That would basically lead to ignoring anyone expecting to be courted, but I don't think I'd lose much in that.

Following stupid dating game rules is stupid.

[Throwaway8373]

I am not entirely sure what this is a response to. Had I written Neil Strauss and the PUA movement, it would have seemed merited?

[karmakurtisaani]

To me the original comment came off as frustrated and possibly anxious about the "rules" of dating and I tried to respond to that. Maybe i missed the mark.

[swat535]

Why is seeking dating advice for men is frowned upon ?

Women do it all the time and quickly learn the intricacies of dating at a young age. Friendship and courtship are two different beasts and I bet women would like to be able to go on great dates with men who know have at least done a minimum of research in this area.

Sure, there are many snake oil dating "gurus" out there but I think many men could genuinely benefit from _some_ form of this.

[error_code99]

> Women do it all the time and quickly learn the intricacies of dating at a young age. Friendship and courtship are two different beasts and I bet women would like to be able to go on great dates with men who know have at least done a minimum of research in this area.

Women also have those intricacies thrust upon them, and often at a young age.

Most of the reasonably attractive girls I've known, as friends or more than friends, have been getting creeped on since they were like 12. I can think of at least one girl who got pregnant in 8th grade.

For women it's more of a survival strategy, while for dudes it's more of a hunting strategy.

> Sure, there are many snake oil dating "gurus" out there but I think many men could genuinely benefit from _some_ form of this.

In theory I'm okay with this, dudes could use a lesson or two, but in practice as you said there are a lot of snake oil types, and the culture that comes with it is often toxic as fuck. I used to bartend in college and a lil bit after and I saw some shady behavior come out of what were clearly PUA bros. Plus I don't want any well spoken, put together, respectful competition.