[jgillich]

When I say BSD doesn't support Flatpak, I mean literal Flatpak. I want to go to Flathub and install any piece of software. Yes, not possible because BSD is not Linux, but as a user I don't care. Flatpak has solved packaging and installing software across distros, and I'm not willing to give it up.

[znpy]

BSD people keep insisting on going back to fifteen years ago GNU/Linux on the desktop as if that was a great thing.

I miss being young, having lots of energy, being able to function on 4 hours of sleep and having all my life in front of me as much as the next person but you'll have to take systemd, networkmanager, docker/kubernetes and zfs off my cold, dead hands.

[trasz]

You are assuming FreeBSD has the same problems Linux had fifteen years ago, and thus requires the same changes/fixes/workarounds. It doesn’t. Good example would be PulseAudio, which is mostly a workaround for ALSA deficiencies that FreeBSD doesn’t have.

[the_only_law]

> but you'll have to take systemd, networkmanager, docker/kubernetes and zfs off my cold, dead hands.

I thought zfs came from Solaris/FreeBSD

[t-3]

You're right, and they also have jails and the FreeBSD service command seems to have been the inspiration for systemd (or is at least so close that it could have been). I think people are just unaware and afraid of trying "new" things.

[znpy]

you and GP are only partially right:

- zfs came from solaris, not from freebsd

- solaris and freebsd share very little as codebases and are very different OSes

- and regarding the previous point: the fact that some OSes shared the codebase ~30 years ago means very little today.

- the zfs people use on FreeBSD today is basically ZfsOnLinux. Som years ago the freebsd people dropped their snowflake implementation and joined the ZfsOnLinux effort, basically because ZfsOnLinux was moving at a way faster pace than they were. The project has been renamed OpenZFS iirc, and FreeBSD periodically rebases on that afaik.